2 Client Setup help

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2 Client Setup help

Postby mattdisaster on Fri May 27, 2005 2:40 pm

The topic should be more "Make me feel stupid since I dont know how to do this, and it is most likely super duper easy." :) I finally was able to put together a pretty stable client comp for my living room. I have my main htpc system which is in my room and holds all my music, dvds, and the like. It's all outputed to my hdtv. What I would like to do, is run a client in the living room hooked up to my 7" touchscreen lcd. Whats the best way to do this? The system doesnt have a huge hd, 10 gigs or something, and I'de want it to run offa the htpc in my bedrooms database. The system will not be playing dvds or anything, just music. It will be setup to the network of course, and like I said, I dont want it for anything other then playing music in the living room. Throw me a bone and help me set this sucker up! Thanks guys and gals!

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Postby Hiller on Fri May 27, 2005 4:18 pm

Matt,

Can't you load a copy of XLobby on your new client and use XNet to pull over your database? Maybe I don't understand exactly what you want to do...
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Postby mattdisaster on Fri May 27, 2005 5:00 pm

I'm guessing thats what i need to do. The mp3s are located on the bedroom htpc. I just want to know how i get xlobby to use the mp3s located on that computer. Is it as easy as just adding the network address and hitting import? If so, then I really really had no clue that could be done without problem.

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Postby GFORCE on Sat May 28, 2005 8:46 am

Map the Mp3 Folder as a Network Drive on the pc you want to access the bedroom pc, then import the files into Xlobby
It might slow things down abit as i do not know the system specs, but it works

I used to use this setup until I setup my Main File Servers in the attic with Win2k3 and Raid 5 Setups
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Postby briands on Mon May 30, 2005 12:25 pm

I'm trying to do the same thing. Let me ask the question a little more directly. Is there a way to share the Xlobby database file between multiple clients. This way the data would only take space on one machine and would not require mantenance on all of the clients. It would make reinstalling xlobby quicker too.
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Postby GFORCE on Mon May 30, 2005 2:31 pm

I think that is what XNET is for, I think you can tell the xlobby Clients to connect to the main server by providing its main ip address.

But if you cannot figure it out, You can also just use Shared Directories, One hard Drive to Defragment, Multiple Connections to the single hard disk but as i said before, I dont know the specifications of the Computers being used so i cant really say if this will be a efficient Decision
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Postby rbziggy on Mon May 30, 2005 2:48 pm

Take a look under 'Help' (main site menu) and Client Server topic.

This explains how to share the main 'server' pc and just run a client on the second (third etc) pcs. No need to create extra databases on local machines just two files to install on the client pcs. Databases, screen setup etc is shared fron the server.

Couple of things to remember:

- setup the 'main' xlobby machine to start in 'server' mode (look under xnet)

- make sure you have the .net framework installed on the client machines.

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Postby rbziggy on Mon May 30, 2005 3:12 pm

Actually, re-reading the original post, I'm not quite sure what you are wanting to do...

If you just want to CONTROL the server from another device (PC or PPC) but all the playback (i.e. output from - say - the soundcards to an amp or HDTV) is from the server pc itself, then use the thin client setup as described above.

On the other hand, if you want to play music from the second device itself (i.e. a PC in the living room pulling MP3s across the network from a hard drive on another PC - or net storage device and then outputting from its soundcard to an amp or active speakers directly), then you will need a full copy of xlobby running. Here, when you setup the database, you should map it to the drive holding the music on the network - a shared drive. In this case, it shouldn't be a problem pulling MP3s across a wired or wireless network and you dont need a (particularly) powerful PC or hard drive to run on locally. However, I would suggest you invest in a decent amount of memory as XLobby does tend to use quite a bit (It seems to consume around 350-400Mb on my setup.) With 256Mb I found things rather slow. An upgrade to 1Gb (prob 512Mb would have been ok) made things fly nicely.

The difference between the two above is that in the first you have the speaker cable running from centrally held playback equipment (a central hub or 'node 0') to speakers (plus a local controller) in each room. In the second case, all the playback equipment is distributed in each room with just a run of network cable (or a wireless network link) running back to a central storage device. Two different approaches. With XLobby you can actually do either or (if you want to) mix and match and do both at once.

Hope this helps.
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Postby briands on Mon May 30, 2005 4:09 pm

Nice reply rbziggy. I hope I am not hijacking the thread.

I was using the wrong Xlobby terminology before. I have 2 independant hardware setups accessing media files from a third file server (not XLobby server). So I know I need full Xlobby on both. I was wondering if there was an easier way to maintane my 2 XLobby instances and there associated DBs. I have a lot of pictures and those thumbnails really add up not to mention slowing down the reinstallation process. I see the database files under /xlobby/databases. Is there a setting in Xlobby that can change where these DBS are stored? I could point all instances to this same shared location (assuming Xlobby does not lock the files for other access.
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Postby rbziggy on Mon May 30, 2005 10:11 pm

Not completely sure I understand your issue here. So excuse me if I get it wrong!

The XLobby databases are not generally very big in themselves (i.e. compared with media files or pictures etc.) The 'databases' area actually just XML documents. My music database is around 1.5Mb while the actual media takes up around 40Gb. So, I hope you agree that size of the databases themselves is not so much of an issue.

I take your point on maintainability though. If you are running the full XLobby it does seem at first that you might need to maintain databases on each. Which would be a pain.

Now, I'm guessing (because I don't use this feature) that you can solve this database maintenance issue by designating one of the machines as a server (again see XNET settings - start XNet server) and on the other machine configuring XLobby to connect to that server (XNet page and 'connect to XNet server'). I think (guessing again) that this means you only need to maintain screens, settings and databases etc on the server. (I think this is what GFORCE was suggesting in his earlier post). Suggest you give it a try!

This then is a 'thick' client version (rather than the 'thin' client I described previously for control purposes) of running XLobby.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure others will correct me!
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Postby briands on Tue May 31, 2005 2:21 am

OK, maybe I was dismissing your suggestion prematurely. That may be next weekends project.

Thanks for sticking with me.
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Postby mattdisaster on Tue May 31, 2005 2:53 pm

Hey everyone! Thanks for all the help, and sorry I was ... unclear about what I wanted to do. I did what GEFORCE said and mapped the drive on the client computer, and imported all the music, it was alittle slow importing but nothing to bad. In the end, I have some pictures of what the out come was, i'll have to post them. Wow'd freinds at this years picnic at the house with the 7" lcd touchscreen with all my music on it, shown through a clean skin I made. heh. thanks for all the help, you guys are great!

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Postby GFORCE on Tue May 31, 2005 3:57 pm

Glad to help
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Postby glamdring on Tue May 31, 2005 5:32 pm

rbziggy,

You are correct that a thick or fat client version will sync the databases, however it will only sync the contents of the database folder off the server. In my current setup I use 1 server and 2 fat clients. I have written a small batch file to sync the skin I prefer to the client pc's and each one of the pc's has a unique xlobby.xml file with the configuration of winamp zones.
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Postby rbziggy on Tue May 31, 2005 11:45 pm

Ah, well there you go - a continuing voyage of discovery. Useful to know, thanks.
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