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Re: Silence

Postby stevenhanna6 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:42 pm

I don't have an exact date on when the website will be removed, it's up to me since I'm still funding it out of my own pocket. I already zombified the xlobbycube website, ideally that would also happen for the xlobby site so something is still hanging around and it just doesn't vanish off the internet forever.

Yes the weather plugin will probably just stop working someday, it's at the mercy of the data sources which change pretty often. There are two sources for the weather, a primary and a backup so both will have to fail, but it will happen, who knows when.

The ftp site is still around, but the username/password was changed a long time ago when it was compromised and some joker uploaded a bunch of viruses. So the data is still there, but I'm not even sure how relevant it is since it's so out of date.

In terms of what Calrad plans of xlobby itself, that is a very difficult question to answer and I have heard mixed things. From my current understanding there are still some units that are trying to be sold, but after that I would say all bets are off. That's why I was waiting to make an official announement, but I can only keep people in the dark for so long. I hope I didn't give the impression that Calrad owns xlobby 100%, it's a complicated business arrangement to say the least with both verbal and written contracts.

I can say with almost absolute certainty that they will not be developing it any further, everyone should understand that I was still the only developer on this project. Every line of code was written by me, for another developer to even attempt to pick up where I left off would be a waste of money, the code is honestly that complicated now, it's better off just scrapping it and starting over...there were even momements where I suggested doing just that depending on the direction we were going to take it. They would also need someone who could do web development, admister the server, do a little graphic design, and probably the biggest thing that took a HUGE amount of my time right up there with programming....playing tech support guru with installers who bought the system....the amount of time spent on the phone with some of these guys was borderline insane....I'm not talking hours...I'm talking days for some of them....maybe even weeks for a select few.



"Must have got a good compensation package for it"

I think most people think that, but xlobby was never "sold" for some pay day windfall. It was taken on by Calrad and I was basicaly given a job to work on it....I never got some huge signing bonus or anything like that. The pay was setup with a sort of performance thing based on sales, first few years were "ok" but sales never really took off after that so I had to ask for more money or I was going to leave and find something else. I was given enough so I wouldn't walk away from it, but it was right on the edge. And maybe that's a good thing, because it makes you want to work harder to see the sales shoot up, then everyone is benefiting and everyone is making the money they want, but it didn't turn out that way....I wish it did and maybe one day I will own a Lambo....but not today....lol. I'm sure people are wondering what the pay range was doing it that way, and I would say 30k-60k....and that's BEFORE taxes....let me say that again...BEFORE taxes. I used most my money to buy a Hyundai Santa Fe, pay off all my student loans, buy a GS500 and probably my most favorite purchase an American Fender Stratocaster....which is sort of funny...I bought it but never had much time to play with it....but I wish I had saved up and bought that thing when I was a kid....it's just an amazing instrument.


So don't get the impression that I'm some millionaire, lol.


I still say looking back the system was just too complicated for the average installer, I remember doing demos at CES and CEDIA where I would run through xlobby as quickly as possible for people....try to compress everything it can do in 5-10min...it's just impossible to do...and it's equally impossible for someone to understand it. What you have to understand about the average installer is they want to get in and out of a job as fast as possible, that's the goal...period. So when they buy a system, and you tell them they need a setup a NAS or do port forwarding, or maybe the EDID bit is working correctly or maybe they've decided they want to try to make a new skin....it just starts eating up there profit margins big time....and I wont even get into other issues, like tying in 3rd party hardware.....ughhhh.


Now if you read all that and made it to the end, don't get the impression that I'm bitter about all this and the way things turned out, because I'm not. Yah it sucks to invest all that time and energy to have very little return, but that's the risk for a big payoff isn't it...it's like any kind of business, you hope you are on the right path and at the end of the road there is a pot of gold...but sometimes the pots empty and sometimes there's just a couple of gold coins in it....but I knew that would be a possibility when I signed up. It reminds me of that quote, "success is a journey, not a destination"...it's 100% true...but it's almost 100% true that I wish I had a bank acocunt with 6 or 7 figures sitting in it.

On second thought this is a better quote and a great song
"you can't always get what you want"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIX0ZDqDljA
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Re: Silence

Postby billberet on Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:45 pm

XL is best program around, i've been using it for everything.
not to mention it has one of the best communities around.
I've made lots of friends here!
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Re: Silence

Postby gravy on Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:03 pm

Got the sense we were headed down this path. Very, very sad to see it go this way. Xlobby has been (and still will be) the showpiece of all my home automation. I've always shocked at what we can accomplish with it. A huge success, in my eyes.

Huge thanks to Steven and to the forum folks that have made it what it is today via ideas and plugins and workarounds. I've periodically examined the alternatives and there is nothing that meets my needs for power, looks and flexibility.
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Re: Silence

Postby PhilB on Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:32 am

I've been down this road myself, chasing the prize as technologies continue to change along the way. Steven, your system is a gem; too complex for the "make a quick buck" guys, but loved by many people smart enough to understand it's beauty.

My system has been running great for the last two years and I have no plans on changing anything, I really hope that I wont have to.

I am sure a lot of people would love to have your XL experiences on their resume. I am sure you will land strong.

Good Luck,
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Re: Silence

Postby rika on Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:55 am

Steven, thanks and best of luck.
Sure have been a fun era.

Over and out

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Re: Silence

Postby wesblack on Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:12 pm

Well I was not going to post anything but I just had to say a few words since so many users started responding. I have not been with Calrad since May 1st after 32 years with the company. I can only say that given more time and a better economy xLobby might have had a better chance, we were always developing cutting edge idea's to make it more useful to the ever changing technology environment of our industry, always giving our customers the needed features and support they wanted and demanded on a regular basis. I had the pleasure of working with Steven almost every day for 5 + years and consider him a close friend, he is a very talented individual and I will miss the challanges and the excitement of working with him on the xLobby platform both software and the hardware, I also wish him the best in what ever he chooses to do next, I would also like to thank Robert Shupper the owner of Calrad for his commitment and continued beleif in xLobby, he made all things possible for xLobby to be around this long! :D
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Re: Silence

Postby Jay on Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:42 pm

Oh my! Wes, the best to you as well as Steven.

Will there be some forthcoming announcement from Calrad regarding XL? Is there a point man?
I for one have 2 licenses which I currently have no machines for. I'd like to D/L and use them at some point, especially since I bought them.

Thanks for all you did!
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Re: Silence

Postby larryep on Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:11 am

XLOBBY HAS BEEN A GREAT PROGRAM!!!

thank you Steven for such a great program. my hope would be that you continue advancing it and sell it as a software only business. :wink: 200 dollars times 200 xlobby lovers. :mrgreen: That would put you right at your past earnings with less headaches.

good luck and enjoy your time off.

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Re: Silence

Postby vaporhat on Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:47 am

Steven,

XL is a great program and I have enjoyed the open flexibility it always had to offer. At times, much as your expressed, it has consumed a lot of my time to keep current. My drive to to make it look and function just as I wanted was part of the enjoyment. Although I still use mine today, I have been pulling capabilities over to other solutions as the market has been getting flooded with refined and flexible solutions. They were just easier and more elegant solutions than the stuff I was putting together.

I greatly appreciated you and the rest of the teams support as XL was growing.

I wish you luck in your next venture.

Hopefully the underground will be able to take over whatever is remaining and keep it alive.


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Re: Silence

Postby larryep on Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:39 pm

As many apps there are to control individual components in a system I believe it might be an overwheming amount in the future that will still need a core program to tie them all togeather.

I think with xlobby going to a hardware only sell it killed the program. It should have gone to a software sale. CQC and mainlobby or still chugging away. I have tried CQC and it is very cpu intensive. xlobby is alot easier to use and setup. control 4 and crestron are very expensive since you need to by there hardware and prewire accordingly. a luxury that is best done during a new contruction.

I would love to see xlobby get saved by it fans!!!
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Re: Silence

Postby CaM on Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:01 pm

Hi,

I would be happy to pay for its continued existance (i.e. yearly subscription, a version 4, shares in Xlobby, sell the comunity the source code) even if just to bug fix and get the android control working perfectly.

It is great as a home automation GUI; one of a kind I think.

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Re: Silence

Postby stevenhanna6 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:23 pm

I just finished moving the site over to a new server, I think I lost one or two posts on this thread, it wasn't deleted just got lost in the transition because I left the old server running.

I still have no update on a final release yet, but everything should be working as normal on the site. Might be a little slow for next 20min while I download the cover database, it's over 10GB....I don't think I will re-enable the xlobby cover system partially due to the size but mainly its really out of date and most of the new covers can be grabbed with another spider easily.
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Re: Silence

Postby Bill Lott on Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:13 pm

Not sure I realized how great xLobby is until I started really looking around for something else. Nothing else even compares!

Steven you have really built a great product and I wish you nothing but success in whatever the future holds for you.

Just wanted to say thanks again for all your help and support and to say that I'm still committed to xLobby for as long as possible.
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Re: Silence

Postby stevenhanna6 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:48 am

Yah I don't know what could replace xlobby 100% since every system has it strength and weaknesses. I think someone mentioned mainlobby and cqc, I've never actually used either system so you would have to demo those apps and see if it fits. Everyone is free to post any other names they know that might help others out. Xbmc, plex, and media portal are a couple other names for media management and playback.

For anyone interested in the future of the control side of things take a few minutes and visit these links.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sma ... ld-smarter

http://electricimp.com/

It's nice to finally see some companies put some effort into an open platform for control, opens up a lot of possibilities for smaller companies who want to sell control products but don't want to develop an entire software/ hardware platform front the ground up....I really thought google@home would have taken over this new market by now.....with lighting control at least...i thought bestbuy and homedepot would be selling google@home lights and switches and a free iphone/android app to control it...but they sort of went low key....who knows what they are up too.
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Re: Silence

Postby lar282 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:24 am

hi Steven
A question. Don't get mad -:)

Is the Android app under same contract with Calrad as the XL main app?
Just wondering if u will still tinker with it?
I just got a new phone with ICS 4.0.4 preinstalled so now I do not have any devices left with V3 of Android. Streaming doesn't work on that one either so that's why I am asking kindly.

Regards

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